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Dr. T.  Rosenthal

Thank you for redressing the issue.

Brad Heinecke

Thank you for the follow up comments.


The thing is that what you said in your previous blog needs to be addressed. I am middle aged and grew up LCMS Lutheran. I barely recognize the church now. I hear story after story of a new pastor (usually) who comes to a church with doctrinal guns a-blazing and proceeds to tear the church apart.
I've heard an LCMS pastor state that when he acting as pastor,he cannot err, I've heard LCMS clergy debate if blood transfusions are within God's will and conclude that they probably aren't, and LCMS clergy flat out say that if parishioners don't understand the sermon, well, it's because those people are uneducated rubes.
There is a problem out there which needs to be addressed but the outcry to your last post shows how difficult that is.


Don't back down, Dr. Meyer. You spoke the truth in love: love for Word and Sacrament, love for great pastors, and love for the lost.

Rev. Jonathon Bakker

As one who expressed concern over yesterday's posting, please don't take that to mean that the issues you raise are not important and true. I appreciate your candid words today, and should have sought better understanding myself before saying something. I apologize.

Rev. Randy Duncan

Thank you for your humility, but I also thank you for the heart of yesterday's thoughts. As a pastor, it caused me to reflect on how I lead and serve. Thank you, Brother!

Rev. Jeffrey E. Ries

Dr. Meyer, thanks for the example you set in this post of humility and repentant willingness to admit when you've missed the mark. As another has posted already, it does not dissuade from the valid concerns that were in yesterday's post.
For Suzanne and Charley, and others who share these concerns, the folks who expressed upset yesterday were not disagreeing that some LCMS pastors do have the problems that Dr. Meyer describes. They were simply pointing out that there was no real way to know if in the instance he described, the pastor really was lazy or bullish, or if these were misguided perceptions of the plaintiff. Had that part of the post been left off, the concerns he expressed by themselves were quite valid.
Though, it is important to note that most LCMS pastors are in this vocation because we love God's people and desire to serve Him by serving them. None of us do it perfectly. All of us (like anyone in any vocation) are guilty at times of many and various failures. God willing, we repent of these, and when appropriate even ask the forgiveness of our people. I have met a few pastors who I felt were not being very good pastors (though i may or may not have been correct in my perceptions) However, almost every pastor I've met or know works very hard to be the best pastors they can be, always striving to be faithful to God's Word and to their call and gentle in their application of God's Word into the lives of sinners (of whom they are one also). I say this even of pastors with whom I may disagree at some level concerning theology and practice. It saddens me that some, like Suzanne, have experienced such pastors as she describes. I pray that in those cases those pastors were misheard. However, pastors certainly can err. And Suzanne reminds me of the great responsibility that comes with the pastoral office. For I do not represent myself, but Christ and His Word, and when I behave or speak poorly, it can reflect poorly on all servants of Christ's Church. I am thankful to have a flock who will challenge me when they feel I am in error, but do so in love and love me enough to pray for me. And who also take care to weigh what I say against God's Word and work hard not to follow their itching ears. Pastor and people is an important relationship and it can be fragile, and both parties can do it harm or contribute to its health, but thanks be to God, as Dr. Meyer points out concerning our sufficiency, the sufficiency of that relationship too is all in Christ.


Thank you for apologizing. You are forgiven.

Perhaps this experience can teach everyone involved to be compassionate while speaking Law toward whatever poor man who screwed up - whether pastor, or seminary president. The same Law condemns both children of Adam, and Christ died for both men.

If the leadership does not have the humble maturity to repent of their sins, then there is little chance that graduates will learn the wisdom of repentance and humility. It's OK to repent.

Peace be with you all.

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